Question:
Any opera lovers out there?
WISE OWL
2007-07-27 09:57:01 UTC
We recently went to a superb performance of "Cosi fan tutte" and worked out that we must have seen more than thirty different staged productions of this opera since we were students, both here and abroad. We go to the opera regularly and also listen to the radio broadcasts on Saturday evenings from the Met or elsewhere. This brought up an amazing discussion about respective preferences and tastes, and how they had evolved along the years. We also discussed our reasons for liking or disliking an opera.
I spent all my pocket money as a teenager to go and listen to Joan Sutherland in "Lucia". I was crazy on "Rosenkavalier". My other half favoured "Tosca" and "Fidelio". We have both moved closer and closer towards Mozart operas as we have aged.
So I would like to know what other people's favourite operas were originally, which ones they favour now, and if they have kept the same favourites. Also are they put off an opera by the plot? I love the music of "Butterfly" but hate the story.
21 answers:
McMick
2007-07-27 16:51:49 UTC
I started with Turandot (baptism of fire if ever there was one!) but I was young and inexperienced (only 14)! I then discovered Joan Sutherland, and she is my ultimate favourite singer, always has been, always will be! I love bel canto opera, especially Donizetti and Rossini (Lucia and Semiramide being favourites, also The Barber). I'm also beginning to stretch to Verdi, especially the early operas like Attila, Nabucco and Luisa Miller. I also adore Aida and have seen Chisinau Opera's production recently, which was superb! Wagner has not really ever done it for me, Mozart sometimes inspires me but can also leave me cold. I like operas with either drama and emotional realism (like Aida) coupled with a good story; or an opera that displays great coloratura singing, but also has a good plot (like Semiramide). If they have both (like Lucia) then all the better and they rank amongst my most favoured. I also think that the singer has a lot to do with what you like in opera. If you first hear a terrible singer murdering an aria, then it puts you off, despite the aria likely being excellent quality.



I'm only 16 now so my tastes haven't had long to develop, but my singing studies also fashion my tastes in opera. I may grow to prefer "heavier" opera as I get older, but lighter opera at the moment is my preferred avenue of listening.



As for being put off an opera because of the plot, I am more put off by certain productions. I love the music from Die Fledermaus, and the story is very funny, but the performance I went to about a year ago was just a shambles. They delighted in "tarting up" the plot by adding ridiculous sexual references, and adding needless innuendo etc. The classic Prey and Te Kanawa DVD performance is wonderful, and the recording with Joan Sutherland has a nice balance, not too prim, but not too overt.



Overall I would say there is little "bad" opera, just that performances we see and listen to fashion our opinion more than anything else.
Beau Brummell
2007-07-29 03:20:47 UTC
I can remember when I was 15 or 16 sitting glued to the radio listening to Glyndebourne. I loved Mozart's operas from a very early age and nothing has changed over the decades. My favourite recording of the Marriage of Figaro is the 1956 one, with Sena Jurinac as the Countess. Such a beautiful voice. I also love the BBC production with Renee Fleming as the

Countess.



Apart from Mozart I really love the Barber of Seville and I have to say that I found Otello absolutely heartrending.
lynndramsop
2007-07-29 11:31:04 UTC
I'm rather late in answering, but I needed some time to think about it. I was also brought up on Lenny Bernstein and very little else ( my mother and father had an argument, it was either carpeting for the house or a piano- the carpeting won out), and came to opera rather back door. I sang in the general chorus in my school and moved on to madrigals, and was fascinated by the voce bianca. Operatic voices, with that big rich, physically intimidating sound was too much for me. Until i got to university, where the director of the opera studio wanted all the singing bodies he could find on stage for Les Huguenottes. I got drafted into the opera chorus, and bitten with the opera virus. Haven't recovered yet.

I have been singing in opera for over 25 years now.

The way my voice turned out ( ironic, isn't it?) I love singing Wagner and Strauss. I will gladly sit and listen/watch all the Mozart operas there are, but I don't sing them very well. (Bus driver in a Ferrari?)

I have sung from Baroque to ink still wet experimental pieces. The story often matters, often not. ( the thing that bothers me most is when the stage director deliberately sets out to produce the staging in a way that goes right against the grain of the story. I have nothing against modern dress of the traditional pieces, but Rigoletto on the banks of the East River/Mafia or all the Bohemians dying of drug overdose under a train bridge gets my dander up)

Yes, our tastes come and go, that's part of our development as humans. ( my husband, who is in the orchestra of our opera theater loved the Mahler symphonies in his youth, but now considers them more like circus music- a lot of catharsis, but it's all for the show) I think what might draw us back to Mozart time and time again is the underlying sense of humanity that comes to the fore. My favorite will still be Nozze di Figaro for that reason. There are very few operas I dislike, and of those, mostly because I'm not perfect and still have difficulties singing the parts..... similar to the pianist who wrote with his 12 notes at top speed, there are some things that we can't wrap our vocal cords around.

I also commend the contributor who put in such a good word for American opera. There are some very good works out there, and this young genre ( took us long enough to get going!) needs to be cherished and supported.

Thank your for your intelligent question ( that, in itself is a rarity here), and the opportunity to answer back.
des10euk
2007-07-29 19:08:55 UTC
Despite listening to classical music since I was 11 I didn't come to opera until my forties. It was actually Inspector Morse that got me started. The episode Masonic Mysteries revolves around the Magic Flute and I listened to it to get background on some of the characters that appeared.



I stuck pretty rigidly to Mozart, with a smattering of Rossini until three years ago when I joined West London Opera as a member of the Chorus. I've enjoyed the two performances I've done, Nabucco and Faust and we'll soon go into rehearsals for L'Elisir D'Amore. Went to see a "rival" companies production of The Bartered Bride and enjoyed that too.



All power to those who can get into opera at a young age. I wish I'd started 20 years earlier.
Vincenzo
2007-07-28 00:29:49 UTC
I think opera is the most difficult genre; more than Theatre or music.

If I am seeing a fiction, in theatre or a movie, I can imagine that the fiction is real. This is imposible in opera; I can't imagine is real Don José singing while he kills Carmen.

The singers must be singers and actors, at the same time.

Other reason is the language. Carmen is in french; Verdi's and Puccini's operas, in italian; Wagner's operas, in german. To appreciate an opera you must have a bilingual libretto, or to know german, italian, russian, etc.

I love, for example, the Polovotsian Dances from "Prince Igor", but I couldn't appreciate the opera as a whole.

I prefer the italian opera; italian, as a language, is not too difficult for me.

Today, I would choose 1) Carmen 2) Aida 3) The Elixir of Love 4) Manon Lescaut. 5) Prince Igor.



P.D. GABUYT: I'm sorry. I'm not a musician. I speak as one who only appreciate music but I don't play any instrument.
chameleon
2007-07-27 23:09:58 UTC
Like you I am drifting towards Mozart as a favourite as I get older but especially 'Cosi'. Fidelio is another favourite. I tend not to follow the story too much as implausibility is fairly rife in most operas I have ever seen so I just concentrate on the singing and the music.

Strauss is great but I also have a soft spot for Britten.
toutvas bien
2007-07-28 13:18:15 UTC
I was raised with classical music, opera, jazz, folk music in the house.... my first favorite was Faust as a whole opera, with only parts of Tosca, Manon and Carmen that i would seek out to listen to. As elementary students my older brother and I would be taken out of school to see film versions of operas and ballets. I only remember how beautiful and wooden Anna Moffo looked in Lucia and the beauty of Sophia Loren's voice (Renata Tebaldi was singing) in Aida. By 12 my older brother and I were in Paris, France and we decided it was time to see a live performance so we got tickets to Die Walkurye the only opera available at that time we liked parts of it and not others (not bad for "tweens") since we couldn't read with much comprehension the playbill we didn't get the plot .... as with everything with age your tastes change but my favorite has always remains Faust but as far tendencies toward other operas I had always loved Mozart's operas (Idomeneo being the exception, Clemenza de Tito being my favorite) the only trend seems to be toward the Russian operas (Khovanshina, Ruslan & Ludmylla)

As for the plots most of them seem so ridiculous to me that I just suspend any reality gene I have, to just go with the flow



except for my favorite I have gone toward with age the dark Russian operas (Mussorgsky, Glinka) and French operettas (Offenbach Lecoq) ....///////. a whole group of American operas everyone has forgotten was the late romantics early 20th century operas that were commision and done by the Met and other American houses .. I have only heard selections from many of them and wished they would be revived .. at least Barber and Floyd get some time on the stage
pianotime
2007-07-28 03:32:48 UTC
I have never been to an opera (but I wish I have!), but I listen to them on CD's and the radio like you do. Therefore, I really have no idea what any of the plots to my favorite operas are. My opinion is based solely on the music. My absolute favorite opera is Don Giovanni by Mozart. If you've never heard it, go listen to it right now! I also like Fidelio by Beethoven, and, this one might sound cheesy, Carmen by Bizet.
Liath
2007-07-27 17:14:22 UTC
"Lucia" was the first opera I ever heard, and which introduced me to this wonderful genre that I have been enjoying ever since. It was the Maria Callas recording, and I remember listening to it over and over again...I was probably about twelve at the time.



"La Boheme" was the first opera that I saw live. My mother took me a surprise for the thirteenth birthday. :-) I have continued to regularly attend every season at the same company.



Sometime around my freshman year of college, one of my literature professors invited most of the cast of "La Traviata" to a soiree at her home. She asked me to help host the event. It was right around my birthday, and she knew how much I liked opera, so unbeknownst to me, the choir director asked the stars to sing "Happy Birthday" to me. I remember I was passing around green olive tarts, when the man singing Alfredo came over and put his arm around me. "Come here---we have to get something going," he said. I thought that he simply wants the olive tarts in the next room. I walked in, and they all began singing. I got kind of dizzy, and someone took the tray out of my hands. I put my head in my heads and started crying! It is not every day one has the birthday song performed in six part harmony by opera singers at full volume. ;-)



My favourites have not changed much over the years...still they are classics such as Tosca, I Pagliacci, La Boheme, Rigoletto, Cavalleria Rusticana, The Pearl Fishers...

Fedora by Giordano is one that not many people seem to be knowing, but it is very very good. The Met recording with Domingo and Freni is superb. I especially like Dwayne Croft in that. What a magical voice he has.
Aref H4
2007-08-01 11:18:43 UTC
I would love to go to ANY opera and hear the music, if only I could get to appreciate the discussions here. Unfortunately, in both the country I am in right now, and in my own native land, Opera is not as well known or well attended as is in yours. Even if there were patrons in my own country, they are mostly those who can afford it, or belonging to the aristocratic classes.



Have any of you seen the Fifth Element? Wasnt there an alien operatic singer who figured there. I wonder if she got to sing anything, and would you fellas have appreciated the cosmic song.



Aref
brazosbasso
2007-07-28 17:45:27 UTC
I love the very dramatic operas of Verdi...but I also like how alot of Verdi's melodies are very simple and sound like folk-songs. I love Wagner's Ring cycle..especially Brunhilde's war-cry scene (hojotoho). I'm also a huge fan of the Mozart operas. Mozart's arias are so refined and elegant. Of course I love a good Bel canto opera...with a good showy part for coloratura soprano. Baroque operas are always good..they transport you to the world of mythology.



I love Pavarotti in the role of The Duke in Rigoletto.



Kiri Te Kanawa as Desdemona in Otello



Beverly Sills or Joan Sutherland as Lucia.



Beverly Sills or Cheryl Studer as Violetta in La Traviata.



Beverly Sills as Cleopatra in Giulio Cesare.



Angela Gheorghiu as Tosca.



Kiri Te Kanawa as Fiordiligi in Cosi fan tutte.



Samuel Ramey as Mephistopheles in Faust.



The list is really endless!
2007-07-31 08:37:06 UTC
Funnily enough I first got interested in Opera when they used "Soave s'il vento" (I probably spelt that wrong) throughout the film "Sunday Bloody Sunday" and actually told you what it was and the composer in the end credits.

I then went and got it from the local reord library and it has been my favourite Opera ever since - but I am still learning.

Here in Leeds we have Opera North - not one of the world's major opera companies perhaps but welcome in this country and quite accessible/affordable -



http://www.operanorth.co.uk/



Best wishes,

Joan (no I don't work for them!!)
gabuyt
2007-07-28 06:16:05 UTC
Speak for yourself Vincenzo, I'm a classical pianist and an opera singer, nothing compares to the difficulty of the piano, try playing 12 notes at one time and going at high speed. I won't even begin to start at the enormous amount of technical challenges, instant mental preparations, artistic delivery, etc, etc, etc, having the right fingers on the right notes, God forbid if one finger goes out of place you get derailed.



Ironically, my favorite operas are Fidelio and Tosca too,

earlier on I was loved Mozart's operas, still do, but never warmed to Cosi fan tutte. I also like Turandot, Carmen, La Traviata.

No one sings 'E lucevan le Stelle' from Tosca better then Placido Domingo. He's a genius, he sings it with the full passion and soul the aria yearns for, I was searching to hear someone sing it like that and he fit the bill. That aria, is my most favorite aria of all, too bad I'm not a man to sing it, lol
JRodriguez
2007-07-30 22:06:50 UTC
Agree about the Butterfly story.. =p.. I have always like Mozart.. esp Don Giovanni.. my favorite. His others are good, I like the Magic Flute, as long as its not performed in English, that is really terrible.
2007-07-28 06:12:16 UTC
It often strikes me as odd that I work IN opera, since I wasn't brought up on it. The only classical music around our house during my childhood was my dad's cherished copy of Leonard Bernstein conducting "Rhapsody in Blue" and "An American in Paris." :-)



Anyhow, since discovering opera when I was around 17, I've been partial to Puccini [ooh, unintentional alliteration!] It all started when my AP music class listened to a recording of "La Boheme" -- the sweeping and bittersweet melodies really hooked me; must have something to do with my being a hopeless romantic all my life. :-). I think I've seen all of Puccini's works, either live or on tape/DVD. "Girl of the Golden West" is the only one that just does nothing for me, because the American old west is at odds with lush Italian music. Having done Boheme, Butterfly, and Turandot onstage, I have to say that Turandot is the most exiciting, from the animalistic bloodlust of the opening to the thunderous choral reprise of "Nessun Dorma" at the end. Bliss!



However, all those years ago I was almost immediately drawn to American works, and I've become quite a champion of them. When people snobbisly disdain American music, I want to kick them in the shins -- all those Eurocentric attitudes are a little annoying. And I'm a firm believer that American singers should learn at least SOME works in English since it's their native language. Trust me, there's a lot of resistance to this, as if singers are almost ashamed of speaking English. My position is that since the vast majority of European artists sing primarily in their native languages, why shouldn't we do the same?



Anyhow, I'm very partial to the operas of Carlisle Floyd, Aaron Copeland, Gian Carlo Menotti, and of course Leonard Bernstein [the finale of Candide is bar none the most astounding thing ever written -- it's just overwhelming in growing from pensive softness to passion overload]. Favorite works include Porgy & Bess, The Tender Land, and The Passion of Jonathan Wade [I still don't understand why it wasn't a bigger hit -- I did it at Houston and San Diego, and found it magnificent].



But though I like American music [operatic and non-vocal], I enjoy numerous European 20th century composers. I like Poulenc's "DIalogues of the Carmelites" a lot [it's ending is both shocking and profoundly touching], and am quite passionate about most of Kurt Weill's works. Oh, and throughout my career I've done every one of the Gilbert & Sullivan works [including the final two, which aren't very good] -- in fact, my first professional stage job was in "Pirates of Penzance."



I also adore some works from the American theatre. There are some pieces that have sizable scores and thereby tell their story primarily through music -- which really is the definition of opera. I'm a die-hard fan of Sondheim's "Sweeney Todd" -- please keep any groaning to yourself! :-) Weill's "Street Scene" was done on Broadway but is considered by all to be an opera; he was quite a chameleon, as his early German stuff sounds rather different than the "American" tone he adopted/developed after emigrating to the U.S. [glad he escaped Hitler!] Oh, and Frank Loesser wrote an utterly charming musical called "Most Happy Fella" which has relatively little dialogue; indeed, since the leading male role Tony is an Italian grape farmer in California's Napa Valley, Loesser wrote a ton of quasi Italian opera music for him to sing. [It's odd that I adore this Loesser work but generally dislike his "Guys and Dolls."] And more recently, I thought "Ragtime" would do very well in an opera house -- it's an immensely sweeping score that needs some serious vocal fortitude, as well as a cast/ensemble of Wagnerian proportions.



Finally, I liked your final sentence about loving "Butterfly" but hating the story. The nice thing about being gay is I can't be a misogynist, and I've never understood the peculiar appeal for seeing women being put upon. And it's rather ludicrous how many women kill themselves at the end of an opera because they just can't go on without their man. :-)
2007-07-28 11:15:36 UTC
Anything but Verdi for me.....live from the Met is a must listen in my household, shame that the announcer has retired, what was his name , Walter....?

best opera experience of recent times was a concert performance of "Boris", original version, by Kirov under Gergiev at the proms in 2003



Does anyone else think that WNO is one of the finest companies there is....a much under appreciated national treasure
keeprockin
2007-07-27 21:37:03 UTC
I don't think I could watch a full opera,but I love listening to a good singer, I believe Richard Tauber was more operetta,sorry,I don't know the difference,but I love his voice
2007-07-27 17:05:27 UTC
Always preferred Verdi, Nebucco,Aida,.. from age 15, still like them best. Though do agree about Butterfly.
2007-07-31 07:26:47 UTC
hi,wise owl.i love opera.http://www.avaopera.org/ http://ring.mithec.com/ http://ring.mithec.com/history/content/links.html best wishes,from reiki.
Kevin H
2007-07-27 18:39:57 UTC
I hate opera. Wait, does opera count as singing AND classical?
2007-07-27 17:01:00 UTC
sorry



its firefox for me


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