Question:
Is classical music still relevant today?
mango
2008-10-29 07:38:27 UTC
Mozart, Beethoven, Vivaldi, Bach, etc. Do you think it's still relevant? I know a lot of good movies use classical music (maybe not from the famous composers i mentioned) but I do think it enhances the movies, but why? What do you think of classical music, how does it affect you, do you even like it??
Twelve answers:
anonymous
2008-10-29 08:23:32 UTC
If classical music were not still relevant, then there wouldn't be a symphony orchestra in every major city. There wouldn't be an opera company in every major city. Schools with tiny and expensive music programs will stop offering the degree. And the inflow of new classical music (excuse me. Western Art Music) would stop churning out as amazingly fast as it is going.



If your experience with the current state of classical music stems from mostly what you see in movies, then I suggest you put on some nice clothes and go out to see your local symphony orchestra to find out what I'm talking about.



Classical music has sort of become to the world what ice hockey is the the US. It is a niche. There's no doubt about it. But it is a thriving niche.
Malcolm D
2008-10-29 10:05:09 UTC
Relevance is not the issue. Classical music is timeless and will always be relevant, but the music industry is undergoing a sea change. We have been through the download revolution, but some people are saying that that is just a transition to a whole new concept of music distribution - the universal cloud of music where online services will make everything available to every subscriber everywhere making personal possession of music on say ipods unnecessary.

Obviously, this is a ways off, but however technology develops we are in for more bumps in the road ahead.

Classical music is always been primarily a minority subscribed art form - that is why it is not "Pop."

I think classical music will survive just fine because a select minority need it. It survives in the same way all the other artforms do - feeding a human need.

Movies generally do not use classical music. Most have original soundtracks composed for them. Soundtrack music is usually driven by the plot of the movie and mostly cannot stand on its own as a composition.



I would not be contributing to the classical music forum unless I thought it was worthwhile. Classical music is very important to me personally which is why I spend the time I do on this forum promoting it and educating myself on the subject. (It is not for professional or financial reasons I can assure you).



How does it affect me? Well, that is hard to explain in a forum such as this. Suffice to say that I believe it to be one of mankind's more redeeming features.
Liz
2008-10-29 08:41:51 UTC
Classical music is still relevant today. It's been in existence long enough and that's what makes it classical. It stands the test of time. It's universally acknowledged and its history, theory, application are still evident. Yes, in modern times, classical music has been somewhat less patronized, but I guess that's just because of the notion that it's for the elite. It's not. People have to realize that it IS an art, a discipline.



Have you ever heard of how classical music affects living things?

It affects humans psychologically, and in a good way.

It induces relaxation, and if one REALLY listens to classical music, one can feel a difference.



And I appreciate Classical music because it's GREAT. :)
anonymous
2008-10-29 14:21:08 UTC
First we'd have to define relevant.



If it means "having a significant impact over the majority of the population", then the obvious answer is no. Most people -in any country- couldn't care less for any music written before the 1960s.



But as long as people keep on playing it, and listening to it, it will survive and that's all I care. I mean common people, amateurs who play for free or almost.



I'm not terribly concerned about the fate of the large symphonic orchestras, which survive as a mix of snobism (many people who supports them don't give a hoot for the music) and political correctness (I bet some mayors would love to get rid of them, but that would reflect badly on their public image).



As for crossover singers like Josh Groban or El Divo, I don't love them but I'm not as harsh on them as most classical music lovers are. Can we say that all singers in history have always been free of divism, have never picked a repertoire out of commercial interest or have never sung a short excerpt of a larger work? Don't think so.
anonymous
2008-10-29 10:31:24 UTC
Is Classical Music still relevant today?



YES! (If not, I have wasted my whole entire life studying it!!!)
anonymous
2008-10-29 08:28:49 UTC
By relevant you mean important or popular? No, it's not on a large scale. Sadly.Yet in some circles and cultures it is widely talked about. Europe is the continent that listens to more classical music than any other. However, the genere that derrives closely to it....classical crossover is very popular in about 20%-40% of the American population. Classical crossover artists include Andrea Bocelli, Josh Groban, Il Divo, etc. In other words, the music would need to have lyrics as a musical element in order to be quite popular these days in our culture itself. If you are looking for a specific group of people, the facts would vary. So it depends on who is it relevant to. On another note, Bach and Vivaldi are not classical...they fall under the baroque genere.
geekchick
2008-10-29 14:12:42 UTC
As for its effect on people, I post research on classical music and its effects twice weekly at http://www.wikyblog.com/CynthiaWunsch.



Classical music doesn't have anything to do with relevancy. It's an art form, and like all art forms, doesn't necessarily speak to the culture of the moment, but to timeless themes, and enhances our cultural capital.



It's my day job. I had better like it!
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anonymous
2008-10-29 08:05:19 UTC
If you mean as popular as say ten years ago, I will say no it is not. I am sure I will get pounded with thumbs down again because I asked a similar question a few months back. Sales of "classical " music cds have increased over the past few years but for one reason only-The popularity of artists like Bocelli, Josh Groban and Il Divo. I am sorry but I don't fit them into the category of classical music. The majority of the people that buy recordings of these artists do not buy other classical recordings.



The record companies have a lot to do with the waning popularity of classical music. I feel that when the 50-70 somethings pass on, you will see a big drop in concert attendance.



Of course, you will still have more of the Grobans. Bocellis and Il Divos around but IMHO it is not the real stuff like the major orchestras recording the Beethoven, Bartok, Bax, Barber etc etc classics.



Let the thumbs down begin.
Julinka
2008-10-29 08:07:52 UTC
I very like classical music. I have played the piano for 8 years and the flute for 3 years. I think the classicla music is the best kind of music. I hate pop music... I is very boring... :-) I think
Doctor John
2008-10-29 07:48:45 UTC
First , two of your composers, namely Bach and Vivaldi are not classical.

Second, what do you mean by relevant? Is the Mona Lisa relevant? Or Michelangelo's David?
Musicman
2008-10-29 09:50:51 UTC
Arguing about the relevance of classical music has been an essential topic of well intentioned conference panels for decades. Relevance is a highly overrated concept. What matters more is the ability of art to be a forum for ideas and human passion. People will remain intensely loyal to things that touch or move them passionately. The question is, why aren’t more people convinced of the power concert music has to touch, uplift, entertain, or to tenderly coax us to catharsis which is how it makes me feel?



Modern music has in some ways failed to develop a larger sense of necessity and loyalty in its audience. There's a great deal of desire to see the established stars but very little sense of duty to hear the new crop of performers. And even when the effort is made to premiere new music, so much of the public relations process that surrounds the work is an effort to reassure the audience that nothing dangerous is going to happen. For concert music to survive as an intellectually engaging and relevant art form, it needs to rethink its identity otherwise it may stagnate.



Conversations about the decline in the significance of art music usually follow the same path. There is outrage at the very notion that the question should have to be asked. There are new and fancy definitions of relevance that turn the whole problem on its head. But concert music never was central to American society, and it probably never will be. No politician will cite an example from opera in a speech to the nation. No late night comic will joke about the modern symphony in his monologue. No matter what happens to the audience, whether it shrinks, stabilizes or grows, concert music is marginal within American culture. Even a supposed boom in internet downloads or online sales, if it happens, is unlikely to change this cultural view that classical music is a peculiar entertainment that appears in the larger popular culture mostly as a subject for caricature. The only argument about its relevance is whether relevance matters. If the music matters to a few people, deeply and with transformative power, perhaps that’s relevance enough.



An interesting book called "Classical Music in America: A History of Its Rise and Fall" traces classical music in America from its peak just before World War I through its steady decline. According to this book, after World War I, conductors and performers ignored new music and concentrated on works from the European past. Arturo Toscanini is singled out because of his diva stature, who rarely conducted anything other than "canonized masterworks" of Beethoven, Brahms, etc.; the NBC Symphony was created as a vehicle for Toscanini and was powerfully managed to promote the familiar, conservative repertoire. Recycling the tried and true was a sure bet, and this safer marketing strategy plus the alienation of audiences in the 1960's by more experimental avante-garde composers when pop music seemed to connect more with the passions of the people produced our contemporary dilemma - most composers of classical music find American audiences have little interest in what they have to offer.



Also, note the decline in record sales of classical music has coincided with technological conveniences such as iTunes. ITunes works great for Brittney Spears or Josh Grobin, but how do you sell the last movement of Beethoven’s Symphony No. 9 without the first three? I feel it’s a crime to sell Mussorgsky’s "The Great Gate of Kiev" without the proceeding sections of "Pictures at an Exhibition" because the journey is just as important as the destination (in fact, the climax necessitates the preceding struggles). So in a way, some of the conveniences of quick download of single track music have resulted in poor sales of concert music sales through more traditional outlets such as CDs and record stores.



Most importantly, as a society, we need a readjustment away from immediate gratification and more towards a patient outlook. Do you realize the monumental Notre Dame cathedral in Paris, France, took 145 years to build? I grant building techniques back then weren’t as good as they are now, but what staggers my mind is this project lasted for generations. Imagine that, people were engaged on projects that they would never live to see the completion of. In our day and time, that project probably would have been cancelled after 5 years due to budget cuts or loss of public enthusiasm for the project. Science is similar in its long range thinking. I have a friend who is a Nasa scientist whose job is to understand the biology of plant life on other planets. She will never live to see the fruits of her work completed successfully but is building a frame work for the next generation of scientists to start from. In the arts, I believe we need to return to a similar mindset. We currently believe if this piece of music doesn’t connect with me in five minutes, I am going to change the radio or never listen to that composer’s music again or dismiss these performers as uninteresting and irrelevant. Somehow, we have to rethink this approach. Most of the greatest works gestated a long time and were not immediately recognized as great or important pieces of music. I think it is interesting to imagine Beethoven’s Symphony No. 3 or 5 or Stravinksy's "Rite of Spring" in the context of how radical they were for the premiere audiences, but also how its undeterred influence started to take hold. Changes sometimes happen over long periods of time. The problems of classical music's relevance today took years to form and will take years to resolve.



Here are some ideas for solving this current quandary:



1. More funding for the arts in school (yes that means money). With better arts programs, have some of the kids compete in competitions with neighboring schools to help boost the sense of "needing" to practice.



2. Better marketing of classical music. For example, orchestral outreach programs – I went to a concert a few days ago of Halloween music (so of course scary orchestral music). The audience, orchestra, and conductor all dressed in costumes and it was a huge blast. At least 50% of the attendees said they were there for the first time. Not all concerts need be like this, but I believe there is an obligation to perform some outreach to attract new audiences. The conductor also addressed the audience informing them about the other, more cerebral concerts ahead.



3. More music festivals. In California, there is the Cabrillo Festival of Music that specializes in a week or two of modern music where the orchestra, notable composers, and performers all mingle with the audiences. The audience reception is terrific (sell outs across the board, very engaged audiences, etc). Would love to see more like this in other states. These aren’t the spooky solitary composer types, but the engaging, articulate types that evangelize their music well to an eager audience.



4. Less dogmatism. One way to help modern music remain relevant is to make it easier for those who are curious about it to give it an honest try. Many classical fans tend to have earned an elitist attitude but being more open minded to other forms of music and less punishing of those who don’t know as much as a music professional does would help shed this unhelpful though justified perception.



5. When orchestras commission new music, the composer should introduce the work to help give the unfamiliar audience some context to the music so they could realize it isn’t always scary to hear something new.



6. More risks on music programming – I realize Mozart will sell more tickets than Takemitsu, but it seems we can do a better job mixing the ratio of new to old.



7. Take a look at what works abroad and apply it here. I believe much of the problem of relevance is more acute in America than in Europe – what can we learn from their approach?



8. More community level orchestras. In England, community (non professional orchestras) play a big part in the contemporary music scene by commissioning new works, involving the community, etc. This is sort of a grass roots version of concert music and I believe a very important element in how widely concert music might be enjoyed. Professional orchestras are important, but it would be great to see more emphasis on community/amateur orchestras in this country were the performers are people who just enjoy playing together as friends.



9. People who love classical music should have more kids than those who don’t like it.


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